PART 4 “THE Ai AND I” ARE YOU SUBMITTED? THE SIN OF CHURCH HOPPING
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NOTE: “CHAT GBT AI reported in Part 2 ARE YOU SUBMITTED that the “First Church” authoritarian leadership, ministry 5 fold offices eventually began after Christ death and victorious resurrection after Roman and Hellenistic influences infiltrated what had been an Ephesians 5:21 “mutual submission in the holy fear of the Lord ministry”
TD’S PRECEDING COMMENTS WHICH SET UP THIS “CHAPTER OF ARE YOU SUBMITTED” CHURCH HOPPING:
First My Basic “The Styles Of Ministry Christian ” thoughts: Each God-formed person is different. Some have (very) valid reasons for their choice to either go, to join OR to NOT go and maybe NEVER join. However, we acknowledge that some are mean, flighty and immature and need training even counsel.
Yet, it is my part to notify the many of YOU that MANY people are NOT the Club Members or Fans which you seem to prefer. And you also need to train your STAFF, ELDERS and 2nd and 3rd in command to BE DULY RESPECTFUL TO ALL TYPES.. (USA WE CENTRIC Wide)
Also, Dr T notes there is a whole move afoot of free thinkers and organic innovators ..And I am one who wants to build “community bridges” among the styles and vibes among YOU Christians..if and when YOU want it.. Otherwise, TD is fine.
Just letting many you know that some people enjoy “joining” “being immersed’ “being ordered around” and to many it can be like belonging to the “firm.”.for It’s like a reliable, predictable, ever-stable cask of dependable fine wine.
However, others have spiritual ADHD and may also have a valid fear of commitment due to past control. Others,(every so often) myself included, may feel confined, trapped, smothered or a bit claustrophobic when, if it a ministry has too many appointed ‘watchers” and/or if is continually too structured, leadership tightly wound, bound with perfectionism and/or many set in place House rigid rules, Plus…Coral Reef Feeling staid supreme hierarchy..stemming from the top (for this Perceived and Discerned through the Spirit by many or some of us) NOT your fault necessarily as it depends up the style nd taste of the Christian leaders..Yet it can thus be OUR CHOICE to go else where..as this IS and MUST our Godly FREEDOM using HIS non legalistic Permission…and authored by, clearly directed by the Most High God.
STILL OTHERS maybe harboring, quietly and calmly present and unknown or possibly FUTURE MOVE OF GOD in the making…and these few or many are are like myself, submitted to obey the Holy Ghost and hear God by ourselves.
This is due to God’s instruction and also the ministry mixture which is now prevalent. Additionally, due to Apostle Paul’s last days’ flee from toxic ministries (2 Timothy 3:1-6, 1 Timothy 6:5), and others need to be respected as being “on their journey” like myself.
WAY BACK in the late 1980’s when the Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggert TV scandals happened and all of the many people who had put their faith and trust in them were affected, hurt, turned accusative and cynical, I had just started my own ministry “The Encouraging Word”(so way back then) I witnessed the “scandal FALL OUT deep in the grassroots… in personal girlf friend and a family member..each of whom were severely disappointed, let down and offended. And grew cynical toward ALL media Christians and maybe pastors…
And I noted the ‘accuser” ran rampant about the “Christian Media Famous Preacher” type of scandals and that went around the world and started what is now (my opinion; the First Samuel Eli temple “the offering of the Lord was despised in their day” because of the temple office ministers…AND this still happens. along the national increasing present DOUBT due to mixture, confusion, manipulation and even downright play time ‘white witchcraft “..it’s the “love of money)…which is still creating ministry unbelief, mocking and cynicism right now.
(See how MAMMON relates to Ministry and law, nation, prophet dullness of awareness Psalm 115: 4-8)
SO THAT REALLY grabbed my attention.And I was leading a women’s Bible study in a big church and publishing my bi-monthly ‘word of the Lord’ to area sr ministers back then. And I went to inquire of the Lord and He answered back Micah 7:5 (which I train to this day) and add to it Psalm 118:8-9 for this urgent hour” (PS this is exactly WHY I submit Selahs for the persons to study and hear from God for themselves and not autocratic hardcore Big Boss dogma) and I make the ministry suggestion that you do the same.
Micah 7:5 (KJV): “Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide: keep the doors of thy mouth from her that lieth in thy bosom.”
Psalm 118:8-9 (KJV): “It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.
THE BACKSTORY TO THE “BEING SUBMITTED” HOT TOPIC..It started in an unassuming but very surprising house ( 1998 )As a white Southern Baptist sr pastor’s daughter, the accusation of ‘church hoppers’ was never in my radar, until later, after I grown, married with children and in my own regional prayer protection sr ministry and had been invited to another local pastors prayer event, that after end of the meeting, in 1998 (this person will never forget) as we all stood around chatting before leaving I could not help be hear 2 local pastors, one a 200 member denominational spirit filled and a faith church( with under 50 if I recall correctly) complaining about the following:
And I quote:
The mature pastor of the larger remarked, “I saw YOUR SHEEP visiting in MY CHURCH last week”
And the spirited Faith Sr Pastor frowned and muttered with disgust, scowled darkly and shook his head with disgust ” “They are CHURCH HOPPERS”
FIRST, I had been connected with and around, in ministry all of my life, and had my own ministry …prior to that, cross-area body, more urban and suburban, with those styles of ministers…20 happy years. But this was in a more rural rustic Big Boy (in hindsight LP) ministry area..and I was not exposed to that style of thinking until that every day..
And though I thought that I knew these, I never had been close friends with this spiritual ministry group or a participant in that kind ofold-timeyy country doctrine. So really got my attention and marveled puzzled, for you see Baptists most white and Iam fairly sure MOST DARK SKINNED Christians think like that.
It was then that I caught the attention of that area Big Shot governing crowd and it changed my life FOREVER in not very good doctrinal ways
BACK IN 1998 AFTER THE MEETING
So, at the back of the meeting room, I could not help but hear the two pastors..(please note, that these are the exact same thoughts that ran through my mind way back then, and now, and also out and around the small and the famous in spirit-filled tradition white patriarchal DFW (where I found it mega multicampus and LP medium and micro “spirit-filled only” no or non-tongue talking denominations.)
REMEMBERING THE RURAL AREA CHURCH MEETING:
That day, when the following “I saw YOUR sheep in MY church,” And the other mature pastor shook his head somberly and heaved a sigh of stern disapproval :
“Yes, they are (“from his tone IMPLYING that the infamous CHURCH HOPPERS are known trouble-makers.., wicked..practicing sin…evil and also OUT FROM UNDER ANY FORM OF SPIRITUAL AUTHORITY (meaning “all of theirs!”
However, I thought the following”
Q. “Do these senior pastors think that they OWN God’s people?
Q. Is it THEIR church or God’s?
Much later, I now ask: Who had appointed the senior pastors and their staff over “all of us” simply for setting foot on the property to test drive a ministry? Or to be affiliated under a non-profit that was not part of their network or doctrinal subgroup (like myself and many others who were not and are not)? What kind of Bible ministry “governing legal” authority were they operating under, did they operate under, and do they operate under now?
Q. Plus..Whose business is it if these people want to go to one Church or to 20 churches?” (It’s not going to be MY business!)
ALSO…my thoughts were and still are: It’s still a FREE COUNTRY and Christians making the choice to go to church or NOT is between THEM AND GOD.
Q. Is it an accusable “sin” to go to MORE than more than ONE fellowship?
So, that brings me to the new ministry movement CROSS BODY UNITY www.crossbodyunity.com and training lessons on how to train in “being sent to fellowship” and how to choose one to serve and commit to, if and for as long as and when God truly tells you. And how to be faithful, and committed, to show up when, if, after God “sends” you to be on the local team.
YET we can each dialogue and smooth out any misunderstandings or preconceptions due to prior learning, training and hands on experience.
We note that many are great team players, even lifelong. However, others like myself are more loyal to the big boss God who owns teams and sends us to where He feels we are needed.
Hence, the submission doctrine began to rear its ugly and targeting sheep stealing (also their kind of term) head.
THE LOCAL ACCUSATION OF NORMAL EVERYDAY PEOPLE
Frankly, this is about getting accused but never spoken by false teachings which are widely accepted in the more country law “big” ministry population, be it mega metroplex (even multi-campus styles) or micro Chesterfield County and anywhere else this ministry doctrine is embedded.
I am just posting the chat AI basics, but I have that I know that needs to be covered the real life (right now) due to this simplistic, yet historical and quality “now Christian principle accepted tradition.” It does not go into the many demonic aberrations that an innocent, naive, inexperienced, or beginning ministry or Christ follower encounters… which I have.Sincerely TD
INTENTION: To Defrag Local Accusation..to make it SAFE and MYOB for the Local True Christ Follower
PASTOR TAVEAU ASKS CHAT GBT Ai:
Q. In the First church, it was ‘house to house . How might that compare to going to more than one church today? Was it considered a sin back then? A sign of being unsubmitted? not in spiritual order?
Ai ANSWERS BACK:
In the early days of the Christian church, believers often met in homes for worship and fellowship. Acts 2:46 describes how the early Christians “broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts.” Similarly, Acts 20:20 mentions that the apostle Paul taught “from house to
BACK TO AI here:
The Bible does emphasize the importance of belonging to a local church community, actively participating, and submitting to the leadership and teachings of that community (Hebrews 10:24-25, 1 Peter 5:5). Being committed and connected to a specific local church allows for accountability, spiritual growth, and the development of deeper relationships within a particular community of believers.
However, there can be valid reasons for attending multiple churches, such as seeking spiritual nourishment, addressing specific needs, or participating in different ministries. As long as there is a genuine desire to grow in faith and remain rooted in a Christian community, attending multiple churches may be acceptable. It becomes problematic only if it reflects a lack of commitment, spiritual restlessness, or a refusal to engage in genuine fellowship and discipleship.
In conclusion, the practice of meeting house to house in the early church was a reflection of their close-knit community and shared commitment. Attending multiple churches today can have different motivations and implications. While being connected to a local church is generally encouraged, attending multiple churches is not inherently sinful as long as it is done with the right motives and does not undermine the importance of commitment, submission, and genuine fellowship within a Christian community.
MORE TO COME (down deep, ALL Of this began as line up line of discovery of WHY SO MANY USA person have stopped attending “the local fellowship” I included (of that toxic controlling dysfunctional) kind.
TO BE OBJECTIVE, TAVEAU ASKED AI’ THE FOLLOWING
Q. Did you ever hear of the term”church hopping”
(TD First Notes: This AI response is fine, okay. However, traditional and seems ‘sane.’ But for the unique and (presently) afraid to attend any formal church… I have many other “less” traditional real reasons to give examples about why not to use this method. Based on firsthand Luke eyewitness being “targeted” in a tiny religious community, also after hearing the top leader pastor use that name “church hopper” to scold and mock “those who do such” in a large DFW mega church. When I, who was his age and peer but not famous, could give him many valid reasons why he had no clue about what many, if not most, folks in the audience might have felt and endured. So, that is just one reason that I want to help the flock and the minister.)
“Too woo back many who were lost in this last, no occult big boy cunning famous move…TD submits that this is not a big boy or all white or LP or anybody’s god move. It is all ours in conjunction with the Holy Spirit and Bible. (Based on Ephesians, trying hard to do what it says in common doctrine.) (More later on that.)So, the comments which I will bring forth are based solely on the diseased version of that, and hopefully, they are explaining this governing realism to assist the traditional. As these thoughts, due to the abuse and power plays and money involved in shaming and guilt-tripping, applying area peer pressure and demonic blackballing based on this (murder reputations), I will share the AI response but later fill in my own cross-body unity ‘real life’ views.”
TAVEAU ASKS Ai:
Q. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE TERM “Church Hopping?”Ai SURPRISES ME and HAS HEARD of “church hopping”
MY OWN VERY PRAGAMATIC EXPERIENCED REALISTIC THOUGHTS
Maybe during certain, occasional, unduly extreme periods in life, you need a spritual VITAMIN SUPPLEMENT. See the following like that.
(Selah not flakey or dogma) If you are married and/or have children and the main church is not deep enough or powerful, or it lacks the kind of Bible teaching or ministry that you and your family need during extreme emergencies, and when God tells you to be faithful and to support the first church but it doesn’t meet all your needs, then put the first church as your highest priority. Keep your commitments, donate as God has said, but feel free to attend renewals, revivals, conferences, and meetings which serve as needed vitamin supplements to your deepest, extreme, or emergency needs.
Due to carrying the cross during deep emotional repeated abuse, Senior Pastor Taveau and Cross Body Unity understand when life is rough. This principle applies when one parent barely goes to church with the family, but the spouse is in need of more support due to the stress of life. So, with the spouse’s permission, you go where and when God says.
As the founder, lead pastor, and CBU apostle, I allow this for my own church and ministry because it’s about serving you to truly meet your needs and not about me or offerings.
This is a community where it takes a village to serve some of God’s children, and I am open to depending on God to direct you and supply our ministry needs, not you.
