Sr Sister Pastor Taveau Asks Chat GPT AI about

“THE AI  & I” FIRST CHURCH AND THE MODERN CHURCH VIEW OF TITHE
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First Church Tithing and Giving
Pressure to Give
First Fruits designated offerings
What, Who is our Storehouse?
“Fear” about NOT paying Church Tithes
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Unashamed of Vast Wealth
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Taveau asks Chat GPT AI:
Q. Is tithing 10% off the gross income, a First Church requirement?

Chat GPT AI replies:

No, tithing 10% off the gross income is not a requirement for the First Church (early Christian church) as presented in the New Testament. The First Church did not impose the Old Testament law of tithing on its members, nor did it prescribe a specific percentage, such as 10%, for giving. Instead, giving in the early church was voluntary, generous, and based on the needs of the community, rather than a legalistic or fixed percentage requirement.

Understanding Tithing in the Old Testament:

Old Testament Tithing: In the Old Testament, tithing (giving 10%) was part of the Mosaic Law. It was intended for the support of the Levites, who served in the temple, as well as for festivals and to help the poor.

Multiple tithes were required under the law, and it was more of an agricultural system that supported the religious and societal structure of Israel (Leviticus 27:30-32, Numbers 18:21-24, Deuteronomy 14:22-29).

The Law Fulfilled in Christ: In the New Testament, Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the Old Testament law (Matthew 5:17), and the apostles did not impose the law of tithing on Christians. Instead, believers were encouraged to give according to what they were able and out of generosity, not compulsion.

Giving in the First Church:

Voluntary and Cheerful Giving: In the early church, giving was not based on a specific percentage like 10%, but rather it was a matter of the heart. Paul taught the believers to give willingly and cheerfully, as each person felt led by God.

2 Corinthians 9:7 says, “Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.”

Meeting Needs Within the Community: Giving in the First Church was often directed toward meeting the needs of fellow believers, especially the poor.

For example, in Acts 2:44-45, the believers shared everything they had: “And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.”

The focus was on generosity and helping one another rather than adhering to a strict rule of tithing.

Collections for the Poor: Paul also organized collections for the poor in Jerusalem, asking the Gentile churches to give as they were able. 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 says,

“Now concerning the collection for the saints… Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.”

This demonstrates that giving was planned, but it was based on personal prosperity and ability, not a mandatory percentage.

Generosity and Equality: Paul also emphasized the principle of equality in giving. In 2 Corinthians 8:13-14, he writes,

“For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality.”

This was about balancing resources to meet the needs of everyone in the church, not enforcing a tithe.

TD inquires Of Chat GPT AI:

Q. How Did the First Church Collect Monies, Tithes, etc.?

Chat GPT AI replies:

Offerings for Specific Needs: As seen in the New Testament, when there was a need—such as helping the poor or supporting missionaries—believers were asked to give according to their ability. Collections were taken up for these purposes, such as the offering for the poor in Jerusalem that Paul mentions in several of his letters (Romans 15:26, 2 Corinthians 8-9).

Sharing Resources: In the very early days of the church, especially in Jerusalem, believers shared their possessions freely. Acts 4:32-35 describes how “no one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had… and it was distributed to anyone who had need.”

This model of generosity was motivated by love and a desire to care for the community, not a law-bound tithe.

Support for Ministers: The early church also supported those in full-time ministry, but this was also done voluntarily. Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 9:14, “Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.”

However, Paul himself often worked to support himself (Acts 18:3), demonstrating that ministers were not to demand financial support but could receive it as the community chose to give.

Conclusion:
In the First Church, giving was voluntary, generous, and motivated by love, not a legalistic requirement like tithing 10% off the gross income.

The New Testament does not command Christians to tithe but instead encourages believers to give as they are able and cheerfully. The focus was on caring for the community and meeting the needs of others, with no fixed percentage imposed on believers.

Taveau Asks:

What about collecting First Fruits offerings in the First Church?

ChatGPT said:

In the First Church, the concept of First Fruits offerings, which originated in the Old Testament, was not practiced in the same formalized or ritualistic way as it was under the Mosaic Law.

The New Testament does not command believers to give First Fruits offerings in the same way that the Israelites did, but the spirit of giving generously and sacrificially still permeates the early Christian community.

The New Testament focuses more on voluntary giving, generosity, and caring for others rather than specific agricultural offerings like First Fruits.

Old Testament Context of First Fruits Offerings:

Old Testament Requirement: In the Old Testament, First Fruits were the first portion of the harvest given as an offering to God.

This was an act of thanksgiving and trust, acknowledging that everything came from God. The Israelites were required to bring the first and best of their crops, livestock, and other resources to the temple as a way of honoring God for providing the harvest.

Key passages include:

Exodus 23:19: “The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God.”

Leviticus 23:10: “Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest.”

Symbolism: The First Fruits offering symbolized giving the best to God and trusting Him for future provision. It was closely connected to the agricultural cycles of Israel, where farmers gave the first part of their crops to God as a demonstration of faith.

First Fruits in the New Testament and the First Church:

In the New Testament, the concept of First Fruits takes on a more spiritual meaning and is not directly linked to a command for specific offerings of crops or money. Instead, the emphasis is placed on generosity, voluntary giving, and the spiritual symbolism of First Fruits in relation to Jesus Christ and believers.

Jesus as the First Fruits:

In the New Testament, the apostle Paul refers to Jesus Christ as the First Fruits of those who have been raised from the dead. This means that Christ’s resurrection is the first and best of the resurrection that believers will experience. 1 Corinthians 15:20 says, “But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.”

This shifts the meaning of First Fruits from an agricultural offering to a spiritual reality about Christ’s resurrection.

Believers as First Fruits:

Believers themselves are also called First Fruits in a spiritual sense. This means that they are considered the first part of God’s new creation, sanctified and set apart for God. James 1:18 says, “Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.” This reflects the idea that Christians are to live lives dedicated to God, much like the offering of First Fruits in the Old Testament.

Voluntary Giving in the Early Church:

While the specific practice of First Fruits offerings is not prescribed for New Testament believers, the principle of giving generously and sacrificially remains. The early church was known for its voluntary, communal giving to meet the needs of fellow believers. Acts 2:44-45 describes how the early Christians “sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.” The emphasis was on meeting needs and giving freely, not following the Old Testament system of First Fruits or tithing.

Paul’s Instructions on Giving:
The apostle Paul encourages the early believers to give as they are able, without prescribing specific percentages or types of offerings like First Fruits. In 2 Corinthians 9:7, he writes, “Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.” This reflects the New Covenant approach to giving, which is based on grace and generosity rather than legalistic requirements.

First Fruits in Modern Christianity:

Some modern Christian groups refer to First Fruits offerings, but these practices are typically rooted in tradition rather than direct New Testament commands. These offerings are usually symbolic, where believers give their first paycheck of the year or a portion of their income as a thanksgiving offering to God.

However, this is not a New Testament mandate.

Conclusion:

In the First Church, there was no specific requirement for First Fruits offerings as in the Old Testament. The New Testament shifts the emphasis from a legalistic offering of crops or money to a spiritual understanding of First Fruits in relation to Christ and the life of believers. The early Christians were encouraged to give voluntarily, generously, and cheerfully to support the needs of others, rather than adhering to Old Testament regulations like tithing or First Fruits offerings.

Taveau asked Chat GPT AI:

Discussing being formally pressured by the top sr pastor, apostle, prophet to give tithes, pay money..address in First Church Bible

ChatGPT said:

In the First Church, there is no biblical mandate or example of believers being formally pressured or coerced by senior pastors, apostles, or prophets to give tithes or money. In fact, the New Testament emphasizes voluntary giving, generosity, and the cheerful heart of the giver, rather than any form of compulsion or pressure from leadership.

Key New Testament Teachings on Giving:

Voluntary and Cheerful Giving:

2 Corinthians 9:7: “Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.”

This verse highlights the freedom of the giver. Believers are to give as they feel led by God, not under compulsion or pressure from anyone. The focus is on giving willingly, without coercion, and with joy.

No Specific Tithing Command for the Church:

The New Testament does not command believers to tithe 10% as a legal obligation. While tithing (giving 10%) was an Old Testament practice for the Israelites to support the Levitical priesthood (see Leviticus 27:30, Numbers 18:21), the New Testament church was not under the same system.

The early Christians gave out of love and generosity to support the work of the ministry and to help those in need, but there is no evidence of a fixed percentage like the Old Testament tithe being imposed on believers.

Avoiding Greed and Manipulation:

1 Peter 5:2-3: “Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being examples to the flock.”

This passage warns leaders not to shepherd God’s people for dishonest gain (filthy lucre) or in a domineering way. Church leaders are to serve with integrity, not for financial gain, and certainly not by lording over or pressuring the flock.

The Early Church and Generosity:

Acts 4:32-35 describes how the early Christians shared everything they had, with no one claiming ownership of possessions. The giving was voluntary and motivated by love and concern for others, not by pressure from the apostles.

The text says,

“Neither was there any among them that lacked…and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.” The apostles did not demand money, but the believers gave freely to meet the needs of others.

Warnings Against False Teachers and Greedy Leaders:

1 Timothy 6:5 speaks of those who suppose “that gain is godliness” and warns believers to “withdraw” from such people. This verse refers to leaders or teachers who view the pursuit of wealth as a sign of godliness, using religion as a means to acquire financial gain. The First Church was warned to avoid such leaders who sought to exploit believers financially.

Paul’s Example of Self-Sufficiency:

The apostle Paul himself did not pressure the churches he planted for money. In fact, he often worked to support himself to avoid being a financial burden. Acts 20:33-35 records Paul’s words:

“I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel… I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.” Paul set an example of laboring to provide for himself and encouraged generosity out of love, not through compulsion.

Context of Giving in the First Church:
In the early church, giving was a voluntary act of love for God and others. There were no formal pressures or institutionalized demands for money from leaders like we see in some modern ministries.

The Acts 2:44-45 passage shows that early Christians sold possessions and gave to others as they felt led. This was not a legalistic requirement but a community of believers supporting one another freely.

Addressing Coercion and Pressure in Modern Times:

If a senior pastor, apostle, or prophet is pressuring members to give money, especially through coercion or by manipulating spiritual authority, this practice is out of alignment with the spirit of New Testament giving. The Bible makes it clear that giving should be:

Free-willed, without manipulation (2 Corinthians 9:7)

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Not motivated by greed or a desire for personal gain (1 Timothy 6:5, 1 Peter 5:2-3).

Generous and out of love, reflecting the grace that believers have received from Christ (Acts 4:32-35).

In the First Church, the heart attitude of the giver was far more important than the amount or frequency of giving. Any modern-day practice that turns giving into a form of control or dominance by leadership goes against the New Testament teachings of mutual submission, generosity, and humility.

Conclusion:
The practice of being formally pressured by senior pastors, apostles, or prophets to give tithes or money does not align with the teachings of the First Church in the New Testament. Giving was always to be done voluntarily, with a cheerful heart, and without coercion or manipulation by leadership.

Leaders were warned against exploiting their spiritual authority for financial gain, and believers were encouraged to give generously but out of personal conviction and love, not compulsion.

“MOTIVES AND ACUTE PRESSURE

Taveau specifically asks for Chat GPT to discuss “the difference in forced, pressured Christian Bible teaching on “giving , and sowing, etc and true Holy Spirit “taking up offerings’ teaching:

ChatGPT answers back:

Understanding the Difference Between Forced Compulsion and Holy Spirit Conviction in Giving

As the church navigates the complexities of financial stewardship, it is essential for Christians to discern the difference between a forced, carnal compulsion to give and a Holy Spirit-led conviction to contribute. This understanding is crucial for fostering a healthy attitude toward generosity that reflects the heart of God rather than one driven by obligation or manipulation.

1. The Nature of Forced Compulsion
Forced compulsion often stems from pressure exerted by leaders or institutions, leading individuals to give out of obligation rather than genuine desire. This type of giving can manifest in various ways, including:

Manipulative Teachings:
Messages that imply spiritual failure or lack of faith if one does not give a certain amount or percentage.
Guilt and Shame: Emotional appeals that leverage feelings of guilt, making individuals feel responsible for the church’s financial needs or the suffering of others.

Legalistic Expectations: Setting rigid rules about giving (e.g., mandatory tithing or offerings), often using scripture out of context to justify the demand.

This approach can create a toxic environment where giving becomes a burden rather than a blessing, leading to resentment and disengagement from the church community.

2. The Essence of Holy Spirit Conviction
In contrast, Holy Spirit conviction is characterized by a genuine response to God’s love and grace, compelling individuals to give freely and joyfully. This form of giving is rooted in the following:

Understanding of God’s Provisions:
Recognizing that all we have comes from God (James 1:17) fosters a sense of gratitude that inspires giving. The believer realizes they are merely stewards of God’s resources, leading to a willingness to share generously.

Scriptural Foundation:

Engaging with biblical teachings on generosity can cultivate a desire to give.

For instance, 2 Corinthians 9:7 states, “Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.” This emphasizes the heart posture in giving—one motivated by love and gratitude rather than obligation.

Prompting of the Holy Spirit:
A Spirit-led conviction occurs when the Holy Spirit stirs the heart to respond to needs, whether within the church or the broader community. This often leads to spontaneous acts of generosity and a desire to support those in need, aligning with God’s will and purpose.

3. Biblical Foundation for Generosity

Several scriptures illustrate the importance of a heart led by the Spirit in giving, reinforcing the need for believers to respond to God’s guidance:

Psalm 41:1-3: “Blessed is he that considereth the poor: the LORD will deliver him in time of trouble. The LORD will preserve him, and keep him alive; and he shall be blessed upon the earth: and thou wilt not deliver him unto the will of his enemies. The LORD will strengthen him upon the bed of languishing: thou wilt make all his bed in his sickness.”

This passage underscores the blessing that comes from caring for those in need, highlighting that generosity is not only about financial contributions but also about compassion and action.

Malachi 3:10: “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.”

This scripture encourages believers to give out of faith, trusting that God will provide abundantly in return.

4. Recounting God’s Blessings
To cultivate a culture of genuine giving, it is beneficial for Christians to regularly recount the blessings they have received from God.

Here are a few practices:

Testimonies of Faithfulness: Sharing personal stories of how God has provided and blessed individuals can inspire others to give from a place of gratitude and faith.

Prayer and Reflection: Encouraging prayerful reflection on God’s provision in one’s life can foster a deeper appreciation for His blessings and a desire to share with others.

Community Engagement: Involvement in community service and outreach programs allows individuals to see the impact of their contributions firsthand, reinforcing the joy of giving.

Conclusion

The call to give should never be rooted in fear, guilt, or compulsion but should instead flow from a heart transformed by the love of Christ. By distinguishing between a forced compulsion to give and a Holy Spirit-led conviction, Christians can cultivate a spirit of generosity that honors God and meets the needs of others. As believers respond to God’s promptings with grateful hearts, they contribute to building a thriving, compassionate church community that reflects the heart of God and fulfills the mission of Christ.

Taveau D’Arcy then asked Chat GPT:

Write out Bible scriptures about God’s blessing, promising (meaning IF, WHEN, AS) YOU are led, allowed to donate, to give, to fund the (Hebrews 10:25) church, fellowship gathering spot, and the ministry offices,

Also share a different section, Giving out to “others” and “the poor”

Chat GPT said:

Here are the  scriptures regarding God’s blessings, encouraging believers to give generously, along with a section addressing the needs of others, especially the poor.

Scriptures on God’s Blessings and Giving

2 Corinthians 9:6-8

“But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work.”

Malachi 3:10
“Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.”

Philippians 4:19
“But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.”

Luke 6:38
“Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”

Proverbs 3:9-10
“Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase: So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.”

Deuteronomy 15:10
“Thou shalt surely give him, and thine heart shall not be grieved when thou givest unto him: because that for this thing the LORD thy God shall bless thee in all thy works, and in all that thou puttest thine hand unto.”

TD asks:

Please share important scriptures about giving to the poor:

Chat responds:
Scriptures on Caring for Others, Especially the Poor

Matthew 25:35-40

“For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.”

Proverbs 19:17
“He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.”

James 1:27
“Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.”

Galatians 6:10
“As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.”

Luke 14:13-14
“But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind: And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.”

Psalm 41:1-5 (TD Notes: This is a beautiful blessing!)

Blessed is he that considereth the poor: the LORD will deliver him in time of trouble.

The LORD will preserve him, and keep him alive; and he shall be blessed upon the earth: and thou wilt not deliver him unto the will of his enemies.

The LORD will strengthen him upon the bed of languishing: thou wilt make all his bed in his sickness.
I said, LORD, be merciful unto me: heal my soul; for I have sinned against thee.

Conclusion

In your giving to support the fellowship gathering spot and ministry offices, remember that God promises blessings to those who give with a cheerful heart and act with compassion towards others, especially the poor and needy.

These scriptures serve as a reminder of the divine principles governing generosity, stewardship, and care for one another in Christian community.

AN OPTIONAL REALISTIC THOUGHT:
Determining each of Our True Storehouse..for tithing, giving:

TO the reader I ask CHAPT AI about this:

NOTE: after close to 50 years of deep study about this, I, T D’Arcy support each Christian “identifying” their “storehouse” or “storehouse” meaning: from whence they INSIDE “PERCEIVE, FEEL, DISCERN” that God uses those area,media, ministries or person (?) to “be there to “feed them” discuss that as possibly true in First church beliefs or not.

ChatGPT said:

The idea of each Christian identifying their own “storehouse”—understood as the ministries, people, or areas through which they perceive God’s provision and spiritual nourishment—can align with the beliefs and practices of the First Church, albeit with some nuanced differences in interpretation.

Individual Discernment of Spiritual Sources
In the early church, believers were encouraged to seek spiritual growth and nourishment from various sources, including fellow believers, teachings, and communal gatherings. This aligns with the concept of identifying personal “storehouses” where one feels spiritually fed and nurtured.

Acts 2:42-47
“And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.”

This passage highlights the communal aspect of the early church, where believers shared their resources and were attentive to one another’s needs. The “storehouse” could be seen as a reflection of the community that collectively provided spiritual sustenance.

Spiritual Gifts and Mutual Support
The early church operated on the principle of mutual support, with each member contributing their gifts for the benefit of the whole body. This reflects the idea that individuals might identify different “storehouses” based on their spiritual gifts and the specific ways they feel called to contribute.

1 Corinthians 12:12-14
“For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many.”

This passage emphasizes the diversity within the body of Christ and suggests that each person may find nourishment and connection in different areas or ministries, reinforcing the idea of personal discernment in identifying one’s “storehouse.”

Responsibility of Spiritual Leaders
The New Testament also emphasizes the responsibility of spiritual leaders to feed and care for their congregations. While this can imply a more institutional understanding of “storehouse,” it also supports the notion that God uses various individuals and ministries to provide spiritual nourishment.

Ephesians 4:11-12
“And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ.”

This suggests that God raises up various leaders to meet the needs of believers, who can then discern which leaders or ministries resonate with their spiritual needs and growth.

Taveau is interested and inquires about “giving into “our Storehouse” (See Malachi 3:10

“WHERE IS MY, OUR MINISTRY STOREHOUSE?”

Chat GPT states

The concept of identifying one’s “storehouse” can be supported by First Church beliefs, as it reflects the personal discernment of God’s provision and the communal nature of the early Christian experience. While the institutional interpretation of “storehouse” often emphasizes a singular local church, the First Church approach encourages a broader understanding of spiritual nourishment sourced from various ministries and relationships. This aligns with the overall New Testament teaching that emphasizes grace, personal relationship with God, and the active participation of each believer in the body of Christ

In modern Christian belief, particularly among some denominations and movements, the interpretation of Malachi 3:10 often suggests that believers should exclusively bring their tithes to their local church. This viewpoint can create a sense of obligation to give solely to that specific congregation, often leading to fear of repercussions for not doing so. However, it is essential to examine how the First Church (the early Christian community) understood tithing and the implications of Malachi 3:10 within the context of the Old Testament Levitical law.

First Church Perspective on Tithing and Giving

Collective Support for Needs
The early church in the Book of Acts demonstrated a model of community support and shared resources. Believers contributed to the needs of one another rather than adhering strictly to a 10% tithe directed solely to a local church.

Acts 2:44-45
“And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.”

This illustrates a communal approach to giving where the focus was on supporting one another’s needs, reflecting love and unity rather than rigid adherence to a percentage.

Generosity Beyond the Local Church
The early church engaged in supporting various ministries and needs outside their immediate congregation, demonstrating that giving should not be limited to a single location or purpose.

2 Corinthians 8:1-5
“Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia; How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality. For to their power, I bear record, yea, and beyond their power they were willing of themselves; Praying us with much intreaty that we would receive the gift, and take upon us the fellowship of the ministering to the saints. And this they did, not as we hoped, but first gave their own selves to the Lord, and unto us by the will of God.”

This passage highlights the Macedonian churches’ willingness to give generously, even in their poverty, and their desire to support the broader body of Christ.

Context of Malachi 3:10

Old Testament Levitical Law
It is important to recognize that Malachi 3:10 is part of the Old Testament law, which was given to the Israelites under the Levitical system. Tithing was a command meant to support the Levitical priesthood and the needs of the temple.

Numbers 18:21
“And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.”

The context indicates that the tithes were primarily intended for specific purposes related to the temple and priesthood, not necessarily as a mandate for New Testament believers.

Fulfillment in Christ
With the coming of Christ, believers are no longer under the law but are called to live by grace. The New Testament encourages giving as an expression of love and faith rather than a legalistic requirement.

Romans 10:4
“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”

This shift emphasizes that believers are to give willingly and generously, reflecting the heart of Christ rather than fulfilling a legal obligation.

Conclusion

The First Church viewed giving as a communal responsibility that extended beyond the confines of a single local church. While Malachi 3:10 addresses tithing under the Old Testament law, the New Testament presents a more relational and grace-filled approach to giving. Believers are encouraged to support one another and various ministries as led by the Holy Spirit, fostering a spirit of generosity rather than fear or compulsion.

About ‘fear, even a widespread Christian superstition”

Taveau wants to address:

There is a certain “fear” about failing to give ALL of your tithes and offerings..address ..and there is a big modern Christian expectation re Malachi 3:10 and being smitten, harmed..

Chat GPT answers back:
The concern surrounding tithing and offerings, particularly in light of Malachi 3:10, has created a culture of fear among some believers. They may feel pressured to give a full 10% of their income to their local church or face negative consequences. Here’s a look at these issues and some KJV verses to balance this perspective.

Fear of Failing to Give Tithes and Offerings
Many modern Christians may experience fear or anxiety regarding their financial contributions, believing that failure to give all their tithes and offerings could lead to divine punishment or a lack of blessings. This fear is often rooted in teachings that emphasize Malachi 3:10, which states:

Malachi 3:10
“Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.”

While this verse emphasizes the blessings associated with giving, it is important to recognize that God’s grace is not contingent on our perfection in tithing.

Balancing Perspectives on Tithing and Offerings

God’s Grace and Mercy
The New Testament emphasizes grace over the law. Believers are encouraged to give from the heart rather than under compulsion.

2 Corinthians 9:7
“Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.”

The Nature of the Storehouse
While some teachings suggest that the local church is the sole storehouse for tithes, it’s essential to consider that the storehouse can be interpreted more broadly, encompassing various ministries and needs.

Acts 4:34-35
“Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.”

God’s Promise of Provision
Believers can trust that God will provide for their needs, regardless of their financial contributions. This reassurance can alleviate the fear associated with tithing.

Philippians 4:19
“But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.”

Giving as a Reflection of the Heart
The focus of giving should be on the intention behind it rather than the amount given.

Luke 21:1-4
“And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury. And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites. And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all: For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.”

Freedom in Christ
Believers are free from the law’s curse and can give joyfully without fear of punishment.

Galatians 5:1
“Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.”

Conclusion
While teachings around tithing, particularly concerning Malachi 3:10, may foster fear regarding financial contributions, it is crucial to balance these perspectives with the principles of grace, heart-led giving, and the broader understanding of ministry support. God’s provision and love are not limited to our financial contributions but encompass a much larger scope of His grace and mercy in our lives.

Taveau need TO CLARIFY and asks ChatGPT:

What is “giving to get” (based upon some current misunderstanding, and/or deep misuse of many popular ministry teachings, which advocate many Bible promises. NOTE. This apostle, Sister Taveau is NOT OPPOSED to this entire, just urges ministry supreme BIG USE OF AWARENESS, CAUTION, FINE TUNE TEACHING due to the increase the Demas fruit of many vast, modern day, mainly TV being effected “one generation” By this I mean’ Christian ministry teaching of true Bible organic leader , lay “opportunity ” “prosperity” and the loss of the focus on Christ,  character, pure hears and mainly It’s the RELATIONSHIP Less than respectful modern day, appearing mainly to be “touched by Book of Acts, in pentecost and mainly “charismatics” . Discuss all of this and tell the difference wealth and provision in longsuffering with Christ and materialism, greed, showbiz, avarice and ambitious defiling chief works.. Ad to this  and 1 Timothy 6:5 “Flee from ministry fruit. Then discuss “Organic,  and authentic Holy Spirit prompting from inside by the Holy Spirit.. Also what is in this, works, vs grace. How can this be discerned, trained?

Chat Replies:

Understanding “Giving to Get”

“Giving to get” refers to a contemporary misunderstanding and misuse of biblical teachings on generosity, particularly within popular ministry contexts. This concept often implies that if individuals give financially, they can expect to receive blessings, wealth, or other rewards in return. While certain scripture passages may be referenced to support this teaching, it can lead to a transactional mindset that diminishes the true essence of Christian generosity.

Concerns About Current Ministry Teachings

Apostle Sister Taveau emphasizes the need for awareness and caution regarding this trend, particularly as many modern ministry teachings—especially those propagated through television—can perpetuate the notion of “prosperity gospel.” This often shifts focus away from Christ and the foundational principles of faith, character, and a personal relationship with God. The emphasis on material wealth and visible success can obscure the transformative journey of faith that Jesus exemplified and encouraged in His followers.

Key Distinctions

1. Wealth vs. Provision:
   • Wealth: Often associated with material accumulation and external status, which can lead to greed, avarice, and a showbiz mentality. This is echoed in 1 Timothy 6:5:
     “Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.”
   • Provision: Refers to God’s faithful supply of needs, which may not always align with worldly definitions of success. Understanding this distinction helps believers appreciate the sufficiency of God in all circumstances, regardless of their material situation.
2. Longsuffering with Christ:
   • Embracing a relationship with Christ often involves challenges, sacrifices, and the necessity of longsuffering. This aligns with biblical principles where spiritual growth is prioritized over immediate gratification or material gain.
3. Materialism and Greed:
   • The dangers of materialism can lead to a focus on self-interest and a neglect of spiritual responsibilities. It fosters a mentality that equates faith with financial transactions, which can result in a distorted view of God’s intentions for giving.

The Importance of Organic, Authentic Giving

Organic giving refers to a natural and sincere response to the leading of the Holy Spirit, rooted in love and compassion rather than obligation or expectation of reward. Authentic giving stems from a genuine desire to serve others and reflect Christ’s love.

Discerning Works vs. Grace

1. Works: In the context of “giving to get,” works may refer to actions taken with the expectation of earning God’s favor or receiving material blessings in return. This transactional mindset can undermine the essence of faith.
2. Grace: True grace involves recognizing that God’s love and blessings are not earned but freely given. Generosity should flow from an understanding of God’s grace and the desire to bless others without expecting anything in return.

Training in Discernment

To foster a healthier understanding of giving, the following practices can be adopted:

1. Teaching on Biblical Generosity:
   • Ministry leaders should emphasize the importance of generosity motivated by love, joy, and gratitude, rather than obligation or fear. This helps to realign focus on Christ and His teachings.
   • 2 Corinthians 9:7:
     “Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.”
   • This verse reinforces the idea that giving should be voluntary and heartfelt.
2. Encouraging Personal Reflection:
   • Believers should be encouraged to seek the Holy Spirit’s guidance when considering their giving. This can involve prayer, journaling, and reflection to discern motivations and ensure they align with God’s will.
3. Fostering Community Discussion:
   • Creating spaces for open conversations about financial stewardship and giving can help believers share their experiences and grow together in understanding what it means to give generously and selflessly.
4. Educating on Biblical Stewardship:
   • Providing teachings that cover responsible financial management and the importance of supporting both local and broader ministries can enhance the understanding of what it means to be a steward of God’s resources.

Conclusion

The teaching of “giving to get” can distort the fundamental understanding of Christian generosity, shifting the focus from a relationship with Christ to a transactional approach. It is vital to recognize the differences between wealth and provision, and to understand the dangers of materialism and greed. By emphasizing organic, Spirit-led giving and fostering a community centered on grace rather than works, believe

Honor With  Balance: 

Logical Premise: There is nothing to be ashamed of  if/ when / as  one is “considered wealthy”

Taveau Asks Chat GPT:(these 2 are only brief desriptions of ‘wealth and stability” being a God Blessing. Note; She mentions only 2 for times sake:

Chat GPT

See Psalm 144, Psalm 112:3

Psalm 144 (last half) Note the specific description of  honest, seeming enormous wealth,land, posessions (means if, when you do not w submit to the “strange children” (false teaching, false authority v 7-`11)

Q. How is that applicable to “now” personal  goals, government and Christian people, being unashamed of being well to do “prosperous” in money and possessions.
 And  see Psalm 112: 3 “promise ”wealth and riches shall be in their house BUT (yet ,however) their righteous will endure despite. Please assess and evaluate “these” as a healthy wise balance. And go into this.

Chat GPT AI replies:

Understanding Wealth in Psalms 144 and 112

Both Psalm 144 and Psalm 112 provide valuable insights into the nature of wealth and righteousness from a biblical perspective, which can be applied to modern Christians seeking to navigate the complexities of prosperity, success, and societal expectations.

Psalm 144: A Prayer for Deliverance and Prosperity

Psalm 144:12-15 states:

“That our sons may be as plants grown up in their youth; that our daughters may be as corner stones, polished after the similitude of a palace:
That our garners may be full, affording all manner of store: that our sheep may bring forth thousands and ten thousands in our streets:
That our oxen may be strong to labor; that there be no breaking in, nor going out; that there be no complaining in our streets.
Happy is that people, that is in such a case: yea, happy is that people, whose God is the Lord.”

Key Themes:

1. Divine Blessing and Prosperity: The psalmist prays for a future where the nation is prosperous, and families thrive. This prosperity includes a flourishing community where resources are abundant, signifying God’s blessing on His people.
2. Righteousness and Stability: The emphasis on “no breaking in, nor going out” signifies peace and security, a reflection of a righteous society that aligns with God’s principles.
3. Contrasting with “Strange Children”: The phrase “strange children” can be interpreted as those who are not aligned with God’s ways or who engage in idolatry and moral corruption. The psalmist implies that wealth and prosperity are linked to fidelity to God’s covenant and righteousness. Those who do not submit to “strange children”—or worldly influences—will find favor and stability in God.

Psalm 112: The Characteristics of the Righteous

Psalm 112:1-3 states:

“Praise ye the Lord. Blessed is the man that feareth the Lord, that delighteth greatly in his commandments.
His seed shall be mighty upon earth: the generation of the upright shall be blessed.
Wealth and riches shall be in his house: and his righteousness endureth forever.”

Key Themes:

1. God’s Favor on the Righteous: The psalm describes a man who reveres God and delights in His commandments, implying that true prosperity stems from a relationship with God rooted in faith and obedience.
2. Wealth as a Blessing: The promise that “wealth and riches shall be in his house” highlights that material blessings can be part of a righteous life. It does not negate the value of righteousness; instead, it complements it.
3. Eternal Perspective: The statement that “his righteousness endureth forever” indicates that spiritual wealth—character, integrity, and righteousness—is of utmost importance and will outlast material possessions.

Application to Modern Christians

1. Pursuing Prosperity with Integrity: Modern Christians can take these psalms as a framework for understanding that prosperity is not inherently wrong. Rather, it should be pursued within the context of righteousness and integrity. The blessings of wealth should be seen as tools to further God’s kingdom and support community well-being, rather than as ends in themselves.
2. Caution Against Worldly Influences: The warning against “strange children” serves as a caution against being swayed by societal pressures that prioritize material gain over ethical and spiritual values. It calls Christians to maintain their distinctiveness in a culture that often celebrates materialism without regard for character.
3. Balanced Approach to Wealth: Both psalms advocate for a balanced approach to wealth. While it is acceptable to enjoy the fruits of labor, it is crucial to remain grounded in the faith and to understand that true prosperity is holistic, encompassing spiritual, emotional, and relational health alongside material wealth.
4. Role of the Church in Addressing Wealth: Church leaders can encourage congregants to embrace prosperity while also teaching the importance of generosity, stewardship, and social responsibility. By doing so, the church can help believers cultivate a mindset that sees wealth as an opportunity for service rather than as a source of pride or a sign of superiority.
5. Supporting the Vulnerable: Christians are called to be mindful of their wealth in relation to the poor and vulnerable. Wealth should lead to compassion and support for those in need, reflecting the character of Christ, who embodied humility and service.

Conclusion

Psalms 144 and 112 affirm that wealth can be a blessing from God, provided it is pursued in a way that honors Him and reflects His values. They encourage modern Christians to be unashamed of being prosperous while emphasizing the necessity of a righteous foundation. A healthy balance involves recognizing that true wealth extends beyond material possessions to include a deep relationship with God and a commitment to His ways.

Taveau’s this of Chat GPT

Give a “Demas church subculture” and personal life description as opposed to living blessed by God’s underserved,  granted big grace,the person’s hard and business, ministry, family personal acumen, gift, call and  pure heart wisdom..meaning in  “being accused” of being “rich”…” Discuss the unwise Dema fruit, such as  FOMO, keeping with Joneses, envy about money, and Godly MYOB more”

Demas vs. God’s Granted Grace in Wealth

The story of Demas serves as a cautionary tale about the allure of worldly success and the potential pitfalls that come with it, contrasting sharply with the Godly wisdom and grace that guide believers in achieving true Christian wealth. Understanding these dynamics can help believers navigate issues like FOMO (Fear of Missing Out), envy, and the pressures of keeping up with societal expectations.

USA assessed as The Modern Day Christian Demas: A Cautionary Figure

Demas is mentioned in 2 Timothy 4:10:

“For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.”

Key Themes:

1. Love for the Present World: Demas represents those who succumb to the temptation of worldly pleasures and materialism, choosing to forsake their spiritual commitments. His departure illustrates the risk of prioritizing temporary, worldly gains over eternal values.
2. Consequences of Compromise: Demas’s choice reflects a failure to understand the true nature of wealth as defined by God, leading to spiritual impoverishment despite potential material gain.

God’s Granted Grace: True Christian Wealth

In contrast to Demas, God’s grace allows believers to pursue wealth rooted in spiritual principles:

1. Blessing of God’s Kind of Wealth: True Christian wealth encompasses not just material possessions but also spiritual richness—peace, joy, integrity, and community. Proverbs 10:22 states,
   

   “The blessing of the Lord, it maketh rich, and he addeth no sorrow with it.”

2. Wisdom in Hard Work: Achieving God’s kind of wealth requires diligence and wisdom. In Colossians 3:23-24, it is written:
   

   “And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.”

3. Balancing Ministry and Family: The integration of ministry, family, and business wisdom allows believers to cultivate wealth that honors God and serves others, promoting a holistic approach to life.

Navigating Modern Pressures: FOMO, Envy, and Keeping Up

1. FOMO (Fear of Missing Out): The pervasive culture of FOMO can drive individuals to pursue wealth and success at any cost, fearing they will miss out on opportunities or experiences enjoyed by others. This mentality can lead to discontent and a constant comparison of one’s situation to others.
2. Keeping Up with the Joneses: This phrase highlights the societal pressure to match or surpass one’s neighbors in terms of material possessions and lifestyle. Such behavior often leads to financial strain, jealousy, and a departure from God’s principles.
3. Envy and Comparison: Envy can cloud judgment and lead to dissatisfaction with one’s own blessings. Proverbs 14:30 warns:
   

   “A sound heart is the life of the flesh: but envy the rottenness of the bones.”

   Envy leads to a cycle of discontent and undermines the joy of appreciating one’s blessings.

Taveau’s Apostolic Modern Day “love walk’ Bride of Christ Call about this:

A Godly MYOB (Mind Your Own Business)

Chat describes this:

1. Focus on Individual Calling: Godly wisdom encourages individuals to focus on their unique path and calling, as expressed in 1 Thessalonians 4:11:
   

   “And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you.”

   By concentrating on personal growth and service, believers can avoid the pitfalls of envy and comparison.

2. Avoiding Judgment: Matthew 7:1-2 cautions against judging others, urging believers to focus on their own actions rather than being critical of others’ choices, especially regarding wealth.
3. Building Community Over Competition: Emphasizing collaboration over competition can foster a supportive environment where wealth is seen as a tool for communal growth rather than a status symbol.

Conclusion

The contrast between Demas and the blessings granted by God reflects the deeper understanding of wealth that transcends mere financial gain. By recognizing the dangers of FOMO, societal pressures, and envy, believers can cultivate a God-honoring approach to wealth that is rooted in grace, wisdom, and a focus on their unique calling. In doing so, they can navigate life with integrity and purpose, fostering an authentic community that values spiritual richness over materialism.

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PS I submit all of this to each reader, leader as a Submitted Selaah not hardcore, autocratic, legalistic dogma:

And it is  “my own bottom line”  that each Believer…pray, seek God and DO what ever YOU FEEL Holy Spirit directing YOU.. This Cross Body Policy is to wield authoritarian undue control. Rather it relies of Fruit of James 3:17 teaching and Paul Phillippians 2:12, which is “freedom to have hear and heed directly, personally ,  from the Lord God. However, a true One must learn from Him AND His Holy Bible not by myths, speculation or passed down Law. (for none of this is  UNDER the Torah Levitical Law in THESE “freedom in Christ “days..yet DO or DO NOT DO “Only” “just’ what and how HE says “For YOU, I” to DO. Please Him not people.

I suggest submitting to the “Wedding at Cana Principle” (which MY view)
John 2:5 (KJV)
“(Mary) His mother said unto the servant….
” Whatsoever He says to YOU, do it.”

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